3 Silver Street

The House of Margaret Frampton

3 Silver Street – House of Margaret Frampton 2017-05-21T16:20:20+00:00

SS Frampton houseThis is one of the buildings which were combined into one property (later known as 3 Silver Street) at some time, probably in the mid 1700s when they were all bought by Thomas Stokes.  Click here to read about the other parts of this property

We are grateful to South Gloucestershire Council for allowing us to copy the deeds of this and adjoining properties.  The building being referred to on this page is the one with two gabled roofs (or strictly speaking one and a half gabled roofs).  We are disappointed that we do not have any better photos.

The earliest document we have seen relating to this property is the last will and testament of John Thurston dated 5th June 1717.  In the will the property is referred to as:

‘I give and devise unto my said wife all that my one other messuage or house situate in Thornbury near adjoining to the corn market house there and wherein one Thomas Stoakes (Stokes) now dwelleth with the appurts and benefit of all passages to same appertaining to hold unto my said wife for the term of her natural life and from and after her decease I give and devise the same messuage last mentioned with the appurts unto my cousin Elizabeth Holland daughter of my late sister, Jane to hold unto my said cousin Elizabeth Holland her heirs and assigns for ever‘.

We note that in this will the word ‘cousin’ is used loosely in relation to any kinsman or kinswoman. Elizabeth Holland was John Thurston’s niece.

Another document, an indenture dated 4th February 1731 tells us much more about the early history.  The indenture relates to the sale of the property by Margaret Frampton to Thomas Stokes.  The property was described as:

all that messuage or tenement with the appurts situate lying and being in a street called Chipping Street near the Corn Market there wherein one James Timbrell lately dwelt and hath been since in the possession of Mary Player and was by John Thurston late of Thornbury mercer deceased in and by his last will and testament in writing given and devised unto Hannah Thurston (one of the daughters of Jonathan Thurston late of Thornbury baker deceased, brother of the said John Thurston) and to her heirs and assigns for ever as by the said will may appear which Hannah is since intermarried with one Joseph Mabbett of Cows Neck on Mason Island in the Province of New York in America tailor and the said Joseph Mabbett and Hannah his wife did by indentures of lease and release bearing the date 24th and 25th September 1730 grant convey the fee simple and inheritance of the said premises unto the said Margaret Frampton her heirs and assigns for ever‘.

John Thurston – we believe John Thurston was born about 1654, the son of Samuel Thurston of Thornbury.

In May 1685 a group of Quakers were fined and/or imprisoned for attending a meeting of Friends in Thornbury.  One of these was John Thurston, a mercer.  The entry in the record held by Gloucester Archives says; “Taken from John Thurston of the same for being at this same meeting 7 yards of shalloone worth £0.12. 0 the fine being £0.10.0.”  Shalloon was the term for a lightweight twilled fabric of wool or worsted.

In his last will and testament dated 5th June 1717 he describes himself as a mercer of Thornbury.

John left the house where he was living to his wife, Anna for her natural life and after her death it was left to his daughter-in-law, Martha Thurston for her natural life and after her death it was left to John’s nephew, Jonathan, the son of John’s late brother, Jonathan.  We cannot yet say where this house was located.

John also left to Anna, for her natural life, a messuage or house ‘near adjoining the Corn Market house there and wherein one Thomas Stoakes now dwelleth‘.  After Anna’s death this house was left to John’s niece, Elizabeth Holland, the daughter of his late sister, Jane.  John left his niece, Hannah Thurston, the daughter of John’s brother, Jonathan ‘all that messuage or house adjoining to the last above mentioned messuage on the eastward part thereof and wherein one James Timbrell lately dwelt and the stable backside and warehouses thereunto adjoining and belonging‘.

John left Hannah two table boards in the last mentioned property and all the shelves there.  John directed that ‘the little house called the house of Office belonging to the said two last messuages shall be shared equally and enjoyed with full passage as leadeth thereto by those to whom the said two last messuages shall descend’.  We don’t know how, but the property left to Elizabeth Holland becomes owned by her cousin, Hannah.  The two properties were later combined to form what we have called ‘The house of Margaret Frampton‘, shown in the above photo as the building with two gabled roofs.

Hannah Thurston – was born on 5th December 1692, the daughter of Jonathan Thurston and his wife, Susannah (nee Hawes).  Hannah married Joseph Mabbett a tailor of Thornbury.  They were both Quakers.   In accordance with Quaker traditions, they manifested their intentions to marry on 3rd day 12th month 1717 (3rd February 1718 under the modern calendar) at Sodbury and these intentions were published on 9th day 1st month 1718 (9th March 1718) at Thornbury.  The marriage was formally registered on 25th day 1st month 1718 (25th March 1718) in the presence of a large group at the Thornbury Meeting House including Susannah Thurston, John Thurston, Joseph Thurston, John Thurston jnr, Sarah Thurston, Susannah Thurston jnr, Jonathan Thurston, Hester Thurston and Mary Mabbett.

Joseph Mabbett was baptised on 23rd January 1689, the son of John Mabbett.

We know from the 1731 indenture referred to below that Hannah and Joseph emigrated to America.  In that indenture Joseph described as a tailor living at Cows Neck on Mason Island in the Province of New York and Hannah sold the property in Silver Street to Margaret Frampton on 24th and 25th September 1730.

We understand from details posted on the Internet there is a book microfilmed at the LDS Family History Library called ‘Booth, Youmans and Allied Families’.  This book includes details of Joseph and Hannah Mabbett although at the time it was written the author didn’t know from where they came except that it was somewhere in the Bristol area.  The books refers to an old letter signed by Susanna Thurston to her daughter Hannah and son Joseph dated 2nd February 1719.  The letter is apparently labelled ‘written by Jonathan Mabbett’s grandparents from England by their mother’.  This means that Joseph and Hannah had emigrated shortly after their marriage.

The book lists several children of Joseph and Hannah including Susannah born 3rd June 1719 at Flushing, Long Island, Joseph Mabbett jnr born in Cows Neck, Long Island, 3rd March 1732 and Samuel born 24th August 1726.

Mabbett family bibleIn August 2013 we were thrilled to receive an email from Lee K Ramsey of Dallas, Georgia in the USA which added to our knowledge of the Mabbetts and clearly linked the US family to Thornbury.  He provided details of a Mabbett Family Bible which his mother had bought in an antique shop in the 1960s.  The origin and history of the Bible is not known.  The title page of original handset type printed Bible shows it was printed and published in 1813 by M. Carey, No. 122 Market Street, Philadelphia, PA.  Within the Family Record section of the Bible are the following entries under births.  The penmanship and ink are the same and appears to have been written at one sitting.  Click on the thumbnail image on the right to see a photo of the original bible:

“Joseph Mabbett, son of John Mabbett was born the 23d of the 1 mo 1689

Hannah daughter of Jonathan Thurston, late of Thornbury, wife of Joseph Mabbett was born the 5thof the 10thmo 1692

Their Children:

Jonathan Mabbett was born the 10th of the 7th mo 1720

Susanah Mabbett was born the 17th of the 1st mo 1722

Sarah Mabbett was born the 25 of the 7 mo 1724

Samuel Mabbett was born the 24th of the 8 mo 1726

Mary Mabbett was born the 25 of the 5 mo 1729

Joseph Mabbett was born the 8th of the 3rd  mo 1731

Hanah Mabbett was born the 7 of the 6 mo 1733″

We believe both Joseph and Samuel made names for themselves.  About 1760 Samuel opened a store in Dutchess County, New York and this became a Friends Meeting House.  An entry in Wikipedia describes Samuel as a ‘somewhat strayed Friend and known to be a Loyalist during the Revolutionary War.  In 1796, the Nine Partners Meeting purchased the store and converted it to the Nine Partners Boarding School’.

In November 1783 a meeting of Quakers was held at Nine Partners in Dutchess County, New York to express their concern that Joseph and another friend had been ‘banished to Long Island’ by the American authorities and they were now in a state of exile.  It appeared that they had refused to give an oath of allegiance to the State of New York.

Margaret Frampton – Margaret bought the property by indentures of lease and release on 24th and 25th September 1730.  It appears from the description that it covers both the properties owned by John Thurston (see above) as it mentions the warehouses etc and free passage without mentioning that the passage and offices were shared with another house.  We don’t know anything about Margaret except she was described as a spinster of Thornbury on 9th and 10th February 1739 when she sold the property to Thomas Stokes.

Thomas Stokes – Thomas was a mercer who was living in one of the houses in 1722 when it was owned by John Thurston.  Thomas went on to purchase the houses on both sides of this property, although he continued to live in the one bought from Sarah Harris.  Click here to read more about Thomas

After Thomas’s death the properties descended to the Salmon family who combined the three properties into one, which later became known as 3 Silver Street.  Click here to read more about this property

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